perkins who published him, scribners published him and max perkin was the ed tire. thin it was one of the only two forydid you recollect shunsad and his name was jerome bar.e did 15 years now. bee >> rudd, thank you for adding ys all those personal connections to the larger context. did anyway, -- >> very few. it's i have never counted them. and the light pole, one of my favorite portraits of ernest hemingway, including one that wa was in time magazine. "me" his red and white striped shirt. another called best in the gulf stream. one of the first people thatwa hemingway invited here.h >> we were talking, and this is understanding american culture f about the creation of this largn contemporary society, we are so familiar with these big personalities that people create. but he was one of the early examples in this country where he used the media, he was on covers of magazines, that sort of thing. >> in the end, you said it helped to do him in. can we talk a little bit more about that? >> well first of all, i want to say hemmingway is probably not the first american w